Rocketing back to NY

With the recent news that Roger Clemens has signed a contract with the Yankees worth a prorated $28 million for the course of the year, Zach, Evan and Mike attempt to make sense of it all…
ZACH:
We were all fooled by Roger Clemens. While the speculation mounted, the message board posters debated and the anticipation built towards an announcement from the Rocket, the plan was intact all along. When Andy Pettitte departed from the Astros and joined the Yankees, the decision was final. Before the season began and the first pitch was thrown, Clemens had made up his mind. Even during the bogus conversations between hopeful Theo Epstein, John Henry and the Red Sox front office took place, the Hendricks brothers and Clemens were already packing their bags for the Bronx.
You can deny the facts all you want and continue to kid yourself, or you can admit Roger Clemens would have meant a great deal to the Boston Red Sox this season. As we learned in 2006, you can NEVER have enough pitching. A Clemens acquisition would given Boston, inarguably, the deepest and most talented rotation in the major leagues and would have allowed Jon Lester

Categories: Brian Cashman New York Yankees Roger Clemens

Born on the 37th anniversary of the the day Babe Ruth died (1985) which later became the day Jimy Williams was fired in 2001 (a monumental event at the time), Evan was too young to experience the pain 1986 brought, but a deep wound was sowed in 2003. Since then, Fire Brand has become a blog that Red Sox “club officials read,” as per Peter Gammons. Evan enjoys working out, writing, reading, quality television, science fiction and history and being newly married. He is a professional baseball journalist as well as president of a state non-profit and member of the Board of Directors for a national profit. (Twitter.)

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  1. Evan May 6, 2007 at 8:14 PM #

    Yes, I think Torre's job is safe for the season.

  2. The Pitch | The web& May 6, 2007 at 8:19 PM #

    [...] Zach Hayes and Evan Brunell put their heads together to come up with Fire Brand of the American League’s take on the Clemens signing.

  3. Mike Edelman May 6, 2007 at 9:04 PM #

    Thanks for ruining my childhood again Roger… lol

  4. Daniel Rathman May 6, 2007 at 9:32 PM #

    He's a 5-inning pitcher in the AL. Read Ken Rosenthal's piece on FOX Sports.com. It's reassuring, to say the least…
    …I'm not worried.
    The pressure's on Clemens on June 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, to pitch well at Fenway — this will probably be his 2007 debut. Perfect time to make him appear like a $28 million bust.

  5. Sean O May 6, 2007 at 9:55 PM #

    Here's my PoV:
    Roger Clemens, or Julian Tavarez. Gigantic difference.

  6. Mike Edelman May 6, 2007 at 10:32 PM #

    You mean Clemens or Lester, right Sean O? I mean, Clemens won't be pitching until June it's not like he'd be replacing Tavarez in the rotation. Lester should be back well before Clemens.

  7. [...] Zach Hayes and Evan Brunell put their heads together to come up with Fire Brand of the American League’s take on the Clemens signing.

  8. Randy Chen May 7, 2007 at 1:25 AM #

    I was so convinced that the Sox would have done anything to put Roger back in a Boston uniform that I had drafted him in two different fantasy leagues. It was really the dream scenario. The reference to Cashman executing the deal similar to Johnny Damon definitely means that the Hendrick Brothers had stolen the playbook from Boras. I completely agree w/ how this played out. The Sox got the rug pulled out from under them on this deal.

  9. jvwalt May 7, 2007 at 5:20 AM #

    I have a hard time believing Randy Hendricks' statement about Roger wanting to make an early return and the Sox saying no. Roger barely made it through a 3-month season last year; now he'll be trying to last for 4-plus.
    The move clearly helps the Yankees, but it's not enough by itself. If it's Step 1 in the Rotation Rebuilding Project, and Step 2 is a trade for somebody like Dontrelle Willis, then they'll have something. Cashman hoarded a lot of prospects last winter; now, for the first time in several years, he has enough minor-league talent to make a couple of big midseason deals.

  10. Craig May 7, 2007 at 6:08 AM #

    Roger would have been a nice addition – he's clearly superior to Tavarez or Lester, you deprive the Yankees of him and it gives you some depth in case of injuries (which are almost certain to happen during the course of a 6 month season).
    Am I ready to jump off the bridge because Roger elected to chase the money (which he's always done)? Absolutely not.

  11. Shane May 7, 2007 at 6:13 AM #

    I don't feel betrayed. There always was a good chance he'd sign with the Yanks. Would I have liked the fairytale homecoming to Boston, yes. But he's got friends in NY and he could just want more money. Or perhaps he just likes the Yankees better, he feels more comfortable there. I don't know. What I do know is that all my worries that he couldn't make it in the AL east still apply. Perhaps we are fortunate he signed with them. Yes he's better than Julian, but will he be much better than Lester?

  12. ESK May 7, 2007 at 6:14 AM #

    5 starts, 27 innings, 2.33 ERA, 29 K's to 11 walks. Those are his September/October 06 stats.
    Yeah, Clemens really struggled to make it through the season last year.

  13. Daniel Rathman May 7, 2007 at 6:18 AM #

    ESK:
    Notice that despite the 2.33 ERA, he was pitching just a hair over 5 innings per start in September-October. That's more than a tad weird, and it's because he was tired.
    In the AL, that could easily translate to a 3.00+ ERA, and 5 innings per start. The Yanks' already exhausted bullpen would be in some trouble…

  14. Dave B. May 7, 2007 at 6:24 AM #

    Clemens never had an ERA better than 3.5 with the Yankees the first time around. It is stupid to expect him to do better than that mark.

  15. JaredK May 7, 2007 at 6:51 AM #

    "I don

  16. tf8 May 7, 2007 at 6:57 AM #

    I'm curious if Roger going to NY saves Torres' job for the remainder of the season? Although I think the Yankees would be foolish to fire him at any point, those rumors and threats are always around in NY. Will Clemens be the reason the BOSS doesn't pull the trigger early even if things don't go as well as expected. I can't believe that Clemens would have gone to NY if they had given Torre the axe a couple of weeks ago, as the rumors go. I'm sure the Yankees used Torre as bait so does that make Torre safe for the season even if things go miserably??

  17. Evorgleb May 7, 2007 at 7:10 AM #

    One of the guys over at Highbrid Nation wrote a very interesting post about Roger Clemems and and the "real" reason he has come back to play for the Yankees. Good Stuff.

  18. Matty T. May 7, 2007 at 9:53 AM #

    Rocket, you said you were coming back to the team that had the best chance at a ring…obviously Boston.
    Why didn't you just say, "I want to make the most money, for the least amount of work, to support my kids, my family and my friends." or "I can't do this much more and want to have fun with my friend Andy."
    You're without a doubt one of best pitchers of all time, to bad you can't trade in those individual awards (Cy Young's) for a team accomplishent in your last year. We would've embraced you in Boston. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

  19. Damon Rocks! May 7, 2007 at 10:00 AM #

    Think about it..NO ONE wants to play for Boston..Think about how many CAME FROM BOSTON to the Yankees starting with the Babe–Sparky Lyle(read Sparky's comments on playing for Boston in the Bronx Zoo), Wade Boggs, Butch Hobson, Roger Clemons(refuses to wear the 'B' hat when he is inducted!), Johnny Damon..Who can the DeadSux fans name on the other side of that coin?? Cone?
    Please spare me "it's the $$$$$"..100 million(50 just to TALK TO HIM) for
    your new pitcher(whats his name?).Pullease.Like last year at this time-enjoy 1st place now..You'll NOT be there in October..It's a Boston tradition(finishing BEHIND the Yankees!)

  20. tf8 May 7, 2007 at 10:12 AM #

    Damon Rocks!, where did the last World Series Championship team from the American League East hail from….

  21. Damon Rocks! May 7, 2007 at 10:37 AM #

    Hmmmmmm-lets see…at your current(THIRD PALCE in 2006, courtesy of the Yankees…GOTTA CHERISH THAT!) pace—-
    I'm going with 2075. That should be the year you win your THIRD 'championship.' Yeah, Boston is the 'best chance to get a ring.' SINCE WHEN???? Perhaps someone will clean up your team(and their uniforms-geez,Manny-what a dirtbag)by then, but doubtful. The inmates run the asylum there so look for some sort of implosion by the All Star break. In the meantime, keep OBSESSING about the team from the Bronx, keep whinning about us, and by ALL MEANS-keep your eyes in that rear view mirror!!LOL
    26 CHAMPIONSHIPS vs 2!!!!!
    Joe D vs Dom D!
    Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater!
    Bucky, Aaron, Wade, Roger, Johnny, A-Rod-the list of past, present and FUTURE ghosts will always hover around the Deadsux Nation!
    Too Funny….Fire away—I'm outa here!

  22. Evan Brunell May 7, 2007 at 10:59 AM #

    Damon Rocks!
    It's kind of hard to take you seriously when you think that the Red Sox have only won 2 championships.
    We've won more, and you're a waste of space. Go away.

  23. Sean O May 7, 2007 at 11:40 AM #

    Yankees trolls, what pathetic piles of garbage. No one cares what you think: not your family, your imaginary friends, no one. Go away.

  24. Mike Edelman May 7, 2007 at 1:11 PM #

    Certainly doesn't sound quite as secure as you'd think he would considering his team just signed one of the best pitchers in the history of the game.

  25. M.A.G. May 7, 2007 at 1:11 PM #

    Who's that patetic idiot?? Or should I say: that tipical yankee fan??
    Anyway, I really was one of the ones who don't want the Rocket back. I think the last years his later numbers were inflated for pitching in the NL. There is a great difference and Bronson Arroyo is the living proof of that. He is still a solid pitcher, but he dont woth 28 millions (Even 18 millions seems too much for me).
    I expect better things of Lester, and I want to see him in a starting role as soon as possible…
    Having said that, I must admitt that I dont like the idea of him pitching for the yankees, because even an average pitcher is great for its decimated rotation, and because now I will always see him as a yankee… And that's just sad.
    The Rocket in Houston was the best escenario for me, but, really, someone is surprised for this news? Is a tipical yankee move: go for the dinosaur!

  26. Chris C May 7, 2007 at 1:16 PM #

    Sean, what was that noxious odor in here a bit ago? Must have been a troll.
    I will be more upset than an insurance claim adjuster in New Orleans after another hurricane if I miss Clemens getting smacked around by the Sox while I am away on vacation!
    How does 5 homers in a row sound?

  27. Samara Pearlstein May 7, 2007 at 1:25 PM #

    Evan, if you choose to leave that poster up, I can only say that at least the bathroom is the most appropriate place for it.

  28. Daniel Rathman May 7, 2007 at 1:31 PM #

    Chris C:
    Don't tell me you're taking analogy lessons from Dan Whitney (Larry the Cable Guy)…
    Damon Rocks!:
    Did you randomly press the CAPS LOCK key on your computer while typing that. Seriously, you get more respect if you don't do it. The mark of a troll is overuse of the shift/Caps key.

  29. mouse May 7, 2007 at 2:11 PM #

    Clemens was my idol growing up, just the same as many other 20-something Sox fans. But he was dead to me years ago. He's a greedy, egomaniacal jerk and I've spent the past four years just wishing he'd retire and go away already.
    This move improves the Yankees, make no mistake about it. But does Fat Billy automatically get them a playoff berth? No. There's still plenty of baseball left, and I like the current Sox team just fine. I think they stand a fair chance of going all the way without that bastard.

  30. Joe May 7, 2007 at 3:05 PM #

    Clemens makes the Yankees better, but he doesn't make the Red Sox worse. The Sox are 20-10 and they're Pythag Record is 20-10. No reason to panic, if the Sox play the way they are capable, the division is still there for the taking.

  31. Kevin May 7, 2007 at 3:48 PM #

    A schmuck, indeed. I can just picture him coming out of retirement for the umpteenth time in 2007, with the Yankees paying him $16 million just to pitch in September and the playoffs. By that time, there will be two people in the world not tired of hearing about Roger Clemens: Roger Clemens and Roger Clemens' agent.

  32. Mike Edelman May 7, 2007 at 6:58 PM #

    It's hard to feel nervous about the Clemens signing when the Yankees bullpen continues to blow up. Rivera gave up another home run to cost the Yankees yet another game. Yup, same old Mo…
    Always good to gain ground on the competition on an off day.

  33. Sean O May 7, 2007 at 7:09 PM #

    "Wayne [Krivsky] came to me in the spring and said he could get (pitcher) Bronson Arroyo for an outfielder

  34. Daniel Rathman May 7, 2007 at 7:35 PM #

    Mike:
    The ump stole that game from the Yanks. Still, nice to see them drop another 1/2 game in the standings… :-)

  35. Fire Brand of the Am May 7, 2007 at 8:02 PM #

    [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  36. Mike Edelman May 7, 2007 at 8:22 PM #

    I saw the game Daniel. Regardless of what the ump did, Mo was ineffective. The ump's call didn't lose the game, Mo did. The ump's call only made it a tie.

  37. Daniel Rathman May 7, 2007 at 9:19 PM #

    Regardless…it goes down as an L for NYY, and in the Sox case, that's all that matters.
    Beckett vs. Zambrano…I like this matchup.

  38. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  39. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  40. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  41. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  42. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  43. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  44. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  45. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  46. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  47. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  48. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  49. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  50. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  51. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  52. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  53. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  54. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  55. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  56. [...] Look, I know I wrote that I felt betrayed by Roger’s decision to come to Boston. But after a day of really sifting through it and trying to figure out why Roger loves New York so much and why he would choose a Yankees hat, I’ve come to this conclusion. [...]

  57. Mike Edelman May 8, 2007 at 2:49 PM #

    I like how you think Daniel. A loss is a loss : )