Editor’s Note: Sorry this post is late, got caught in a central Pennsylvania snowstorm on the way home from Philadelphia last night.
Costello: Well then who’s on first?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: I mean the fellow’s name.
Abbott: Who.
Costello: The guy on first.
Abbott: Who.
Costello: The first baseman.
Abbott: Who.
Costello: The guy playing…
Abbott: Who is on first!
Costello: I’m asking YOU who’s on first.
Abbott: That’s the man’s name.
Costello: That’s who’s name?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: Well go ahead and tell me.
Abbott: That’s it.
Costello: That’s who?
Abbott: Yes.
Costello: Look, you gotta first baseman?
Abbott: Certainly.
Costello: Who’s playing first?
Abbott: That’s right.
Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?
Abbott: Every dollar of it.
Costello: All I’m trying to find out is the fellow’s name on first base.
Abbott: Who.
Costello: The guy that gets…
Abbott: That’s it.
While all of the talk during the Hot Stove season seems to focus on the hot corner, the options facing the local nine on the “other” corner deserve equal consideration. If Mike Lowell does not return to Boston, the Red Sox are faced with a decision that either moves their Gold Glove first baseman, Kevin Youkilis, across the diamond, or trades away their top prospects for a Miguel Cabrera or Scott Rolen type. It would be difficult to see Jacoby Ellsbury or Clay Buchholz leave, especially after their electric performances in Fenway Park this past season. Buchholz’s no hitter and Ellsbury scoring from 2nd on a pass ball are two of the memories of a very memorable 2007 that won’t soon be forgotten.
Assuming the Sox keep the kids and move Youk, what is the answer at 1B? Let’s review some of the options.
Free Agents
Tony Clark, Ryan Klesko, Darin Erstad … move along, nothing to see here … just kidding. The youngest free agent available is Doug Mientkiewicz (34), and the most established is arguably Sean Casey. While I like Casey, who is a Wally Joyner/Mark Grace type hitter, he is a type B free agent. It is unlikely the Red Sox are going to part with any draft picks to fill the position with a player whose role with the team is only temporary.
Tony Clark is creating some buzz around the Hot Stove, especially with Minnesota, and reportedly is seeking a two-year, $4 million dollar deal. He is a professional ballplayer and a clubhouse guy, however it remains to be seen if the front office can forget he was paid $5 million to hit the Mendoza Line (.207) for the Sox in 2002. Arizona also remains in the hunt to resign Clark, so don’t expect to see him wearing the home whites at Fenway Park in 2008.
Some readers here at Fire Brand have mentioned Mientkiewicz coming back and serving the same role he had in 2004. Meintkiewicz actually hit over .300 twice in three years for Minnesota in the early part of the century, but he only hit .215 for Boston in 2004, and averaged .266 with six home-runs per season since. Add in the World Series ball incident, and Mientkiewicz appears to be an unlikely candidate to return.
On the Farm
Lars Anderson is the future at first for the Sox. He turned 20 in September, and hit .292 last year in A ball, including .343 during a 10 game stint at high-level A ball (Lancaster). SoxProspects.com has him as the organization’s sixth best prospect, BaseballAmerica has Anderson rated fifth. Although SoxProspects notes in his profile he strikes out too much, Anderson won the 2007 Minor League Top Quality Plate Appearances award by the Red Sox organization. Unfortunately, he won’t be ready until 2010, so its unlikely to even see him as a September call-up in 2008.
Brandon Moss is the other name floating around, ever since the Sox sent him to 1B for a few games in the Domincan Winter League. Moss played 15 games at the major league level in 2007, splitting time between LF and RF and hitting .280. He hit .285 at AA in 2006, and .282 at AAA in 2007, he has proven he can hit at every level and SoxProspects.com profile notes “he is a fantastic teammate and individual who takes joy in playing the game.” I have been unable to find any fielding data from the Aguilas Cibaenas, but I know Moss has been playing the majority of his games in the OF for the club. It would be interesting to see how he did playing the 1B position, and find out why he was moved back into the OF.
Trades
Ben Broussard may be available in Seattle, and even has potential to be non-tendered. Broussard is buried on the Mariners depth chart behind Richie Sexson and Jose Vidro, with neither likely to be traded because of their overcompensating and unattractive contracts. Broussard made only $3.55 million last year, but management in Seattle seems unwilling to pay more than that for a player who is merely a backup on their club.
Broussard projects to be an Adam LaRoche or Nick Johnson type player. In 2006, as a full time player, Broussard hit .285 with 21 home-runs for Cleveland and Seattle. He could be available cheap if he is tendered, and is a name to remember. More will be known about his availability following the arbitration deadline on December 7th, and I wouldn’t anticipate the Sox, or any other team, making a move on Broussard until then.
What other names are available? Very little. Todd Helton, who the Sox almost acquired last off-season, is now off the trading block. Mark Teixiera may become available should Atlanta struggle in the beginning of the year and they feel they will not be able to resign the Scott Boras client to a long-term deal. The Rangers may look to deal Jared Saltalamacchia, the switch hitting catcher they acquired from the Braves in the Tiexiera deal. Salty played 38 games at first last season, and the Rangers have a logjam of young catchers.
On the Roster
Keeping Kevin Youkilis at first seems to make the most sense, given he won a Gold Glove at the position and handled the World Series situation with David Ortiz so professionally. It would be difficult to find another major league player that, having the year Youk was having, would accept a role on the bench for the most important games of the year. Rumors float around about resigning Bobby Kielty and trying him at first, which would work nicely in a platoon role with Brandon Moss or Ben Broussard.
Then of course, there is always Big Papi. The man with the big smile and the balky knee is still serviceable on the field, although I don’t think anyone in the organization would want to risk injury by playing him there for a majority of the season. Looking at the situation theoretically, playing Ortiz would free up the DH position, allowing the Red Sox to sign a DH, Mike Sweeney is a name that comes to mind. Mike Piazza and Barry Bonds are also available, although Piazza desires to play on the West Coast or retire, and Bonds, well, I don’t think he’d quite fit in here.
Who’s on First?
What does all this mean? With Peter Gammons of ESPN reporting that the Yankees have lost interest in Mike Lowell and rescinded their offer, it appears Lowell may return to the Sox after all, although it is unlikely we will know how that situation turns out until after Miguel Cabrera is dealt. It would appear Lowell’s options have been reduced to Boston, Philadelphia, and the two Los Angeles teams. Since Philadelphia GM Pat Gillick has repeated his mantra to spend all available funds on pitching, and one of the two LA teams appear likely to acquire Cabrera, Boston’s three year, $42-45 million dollar offer may gain appeal to World Series MVP Lowell.
My money is on Lowell returning, on the Red Sox terms, and being a serviceable player during his final years here. We will never see another 2007 out of Lowell, but his regression should be counteracted by the progression of Dustin Pedroria, Jacoby Ellsbury, and Kevin Youkilis. Last week I said on the MVN Radio podcast that Lowell was gone, and Youk would be playing third. Now it appears Lowell may return at third, Youk will stay at first, and the Red Sox Nation will find out if living with a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” mentality isn’t such a bad thing after all.
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Daniel:
Twins are looking to deal one of their young starters, would it make sense for us to target Kevin Slowey or Matt Garza for Coco?
Rumors of a Laird for Coco swap here
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Sean:
I guess I am a little too optomistic on Lowell than most people. To be honest, I was looking forward to getting the Type A free agent compensation draft picks for Lowell. Now that we have him, I am trying to put a positive spin on it .. at least we didnt lose Buccholz and Ellsbury for a 24 year old with a weight problem, at least we don’t have to rush Lowrie into a new position he isn’t comfortable, we can spend more time developing Moss and Carter, and we won’t end up with A-Rod
Wait, you mean, at least we didn’t lose 1 great and 1 horribly overrated prospect for the best young player in baseball? We have pitching locked up for years, and we have absolutely zero power coming down the line. Next year we have a 2 person lineup, a couple of people who can walk, and then utter garbage. We also will be worse defensively.
And Coco for Laird is so idiotic it’s not even worth dignifying. Coco, as terrible offensively as he was, was extremely valuable.
I don’t think i mind this deal if it is 3/36. That is about the max i would be willing go to. I think Lowell will be pretty good next year, average-below aver in the second year, and a backup in the 3rd year. 12 M for a backup is all that crazy when you consider our resources.
That being said, I still strongly feel that we should have waited this year out. Gone with a stop gap like Blalock and made a huge push for Tex next winter. That would put the team in a lot better spot for the future.
On the bright side, this does give Anderson the time he needs in the minors to hopefully reach his potential. Come 2010, he might be the power that the Red Sox will be lacking.
But Dave, even if Anderson pans out, that is one power source. One. Ellsbury, if we keep him, will be talented but will never hit for power.
For those who don’t want to give up Buchholz and Ellsbury for Cabrera, remember we’re giving up 2 first round picks by signing Lowell. So we could be giving up $15m a year and 2 first round picks for lowell, who isn’t good. Amazing.
So, we don’t want to give up Ellsbury (first round pick, 2005) and Buchholz (first round compensation pick, 2005) for Cabrera, but we’ll give up a first round pick and a compensation pick, and more money, for terrible Lowell?
What possible sense does that make?
How about Chris Carter, the minor-league 1B acquired in the Wily Mo trade?
An oversight on my part, I should have commented on Carter. It is true, he can hit the cover off the ball, but he is a horrible fielder.
With an organizational focus on defense, it wouldn’t make any sense to plug him in at first. He reminds me a lot of Oakland’s Jack Cust in that respect. He will get his shot, I hope it is with the Sox, I just don’t know where.
Carter has played some OF, but there isn’t really room for him there either. Just FYI, Carter is hitting .388 in the Venzuelan Winter League after struggling in his short stint in Pawtucket (.234 avg in ‘07)
Rumor has it we’re close on Lowell. Remember my opposition to this deal in May when he’s struggling to hit.280/.330/.450 with mediocre defense for $15m.
You win again Theo. At least Rivera is a good player earning $15m, now we get a total loser for that amount. God I don’t want Lowell.
I am not thrilled that Lowell is coming back, but I am glad it is only for three years at $15 per
He is still a .280 hitter for his career, even with the dreadful 2005 year factored in. He will be serviceable, he won’t have to mortgage the future to get him, and he can keep the hot corner warm until we have a prospect that is ready.
Two pieces from KNBR:
“Mike Lowell could accept the Red Sox three-year before Thanksgiving, or over the weekend. The deal is believed to be worth between $36 and $48 million.”
“The Twins remain very interested in Coco Crisp, and could make a formal offer to the Red Sox within the next day or two. Boston is seeking relief help, a first-baseman, or a young catcher.”
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Sean:
Will do. I’m a little disappointed that we wound up giving in too, but Lowell’s still a better option than most of the FAs. Of course, I’d rather wait and see if we can’t get Miguel Cabrera first…
I wonder which Twins reliever Theo would want…?
$15 M per? Gross.
I don’t think he will be servicable, that’s the problem. $15m a year is an unbelievable amount for someone with an extremely limited skill set. Things Lowell can’t do:
Hit on the road
Hit over .500 SLG (.501 in a career year doesn’t help)
Take walks
Field
Run
Hit home runs
And we’re giving him $15m. There is no way he’s our starting third baseman in the third year of the contract. I’m most upset that we’re settling for mediocrity (or worse) when we could probably get the same production from in-house. I would much rather try Lowrie at third and his 2007 (pre-breakout) PECOTA line of .267 .335 .393 than .280/.330/.460. At least there’s some hope with Lowrie, with Lowell, there’s none.
We will now have the worst left side of the infield I can imagine. I don’t know who to dislike more.
Sounds like it is done, 3 years 37.5mil
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3118926
Not bad, it is only money and he can bridge us to Lars if he does pan out.
we are only giving up theoretical draft picks, we are not losing any of our actual draft picks by signing him. i see your point, but just so others reading understand, we don’t forfeit any of our picks for signing our own free agent …
Awesome, I now have 2 people to boo in our lineup every time through. Thanks Theo, thanks for failing yet again and making all SABR folks look like idiots with your incompetence.
And I hate Mike Lowell.
I can live with 3 years 37.5mil
Sorry, Sean O
Boo Mike Lowell? What?
3/37 is a fine contract in today’s market. I’m worried about the third year, but in the next 2 Lowell will be fine as a RHH @ Fenway. He’ll get a standing O for taking 3 yrs to stay over 4 in LA/Phil like Gammons reported they offered.
Now we get to keep our prospects and still be the favorite to repeat in 2008.
Zach-
But we lose 2 prospects in this deal. I’m worried about the 2nd year, and that’s if he manages to make an .800 OPS for the next year.
This is a joke contract. Why do we want him back? Why did we need this solved on November 19th? Theo must want a 5 month long vacation, since he’s obviously not trying this offseason.
Why even explore options? Why wait until the Winter Meetings? When you’re The Wunderkind, you don’t have to worry about finding solutions when you can just slack off and sign the worst, easiest option that comes around.
It’s unbelievable. I would love to see Theo go to the Pirates, then we see how good he really is. $13m a year, and we lose 2 first rounders, and everyone is happy.
I sometimes wonder if RSN really cares about winning.
I’m fine with 3/37.5. We’re also going to get a draft pick for GagMe, and we’re not actually losing any of ours, just not getting new ones. I was kinda hoping they would front-load the deal to make him tradeable at the end, but w/e.
My only question is, how does this affect our ability to go after Teixeira next offseason, since we no longer have a spot for him?
Ryne (#6):
I’m not sure about Slowey, but I’d love to get Garza for Coco.
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Typically childish, pathetic response from resident loser Jared. When you don’t have a point to make, you become a 3rd grader. Well played.
It’s getting to the point where we don’t have any place to put players. Every single position except LF and C are locked up long term, and some of those solutions aren’t great. Lugo is a drain on us for years, as are Lowell and Drew, so even if we pull off a blockbuster we have no where to put them.
Getting Santana doesn’t make sense when we keep producing pitchers. We need power, and Theo doesn’t try. It’s unbelievable.
“Well played”
Thanks
Sean,
I agree with your point on pitching, I love having six starters but I disagree when i hear that you can never have too much pitching, adding santana would be helpful but we can gain more by improving our weak spots rather than our forte. Although we do need power in the future, I don’t think this is the time to get it. We are set for next year and perhaps the year after in terms of power. I also agree that we should be able to get more for Coco Crisp despite his room-temperature average. 28 stolen bases and gold glove caliber defense should be able to land a solid prospect, but it’s not looking like that will happen. I don’t get why you said Mike Lowell can’t field. That one seems a little ridiculous. Same with accusing Theo of not trying. He brought us to World Series wins in his time here.
Dan, Theo didn’t even make the winter meetings with trying to find a solution. That is simple laziness, as nobody could determine that Lowell was a good solution on November 19th. At least perform your due diligence.
PMR and the Fielding Bible have Lowell as below average defensively, and Fielding Bible is by far the best metric, since they actually look at video of every single play.
I guess I should believe in numbers more than I do, because when I see Mike Lowell play third base all year, I don’t see him being a bad third baseman at all.
He only had 15 errors, but more importantly, you hear Lugo and Pedroia saying how when Lowell throws the ball, it comes to the same place, every single time, making double plays easier, and catching-related errors occur less often.
Theo could be viewed as efficient, not lazy. If the Phillies or Angels came out of nowhere to snag Cabrera, the Dodgers may have broke the bank to bring in Lowell. Guess how many 1st round draft picks the Sox would have gotten then? ZERO.
The Dodgers select 15th in 2008, and that pick is protected. Theo did the right thing.
Ryne is right, numbers also would show you that Jason Varitek is a terrible contributor to the Red Sox, however, the managers agree that losing him would be the biggest loss they could experience. Lowell made up for his 15 errors with his great plays this year. That’s why he is up for a TYIB award for best defense. I also believe that most of his errors came in the beginning of the season within a short span of each other, suggesting it was a fluke. The guy won a gold glove two years ago.
The thing is, the Fielding Bible isn’t really about numbers. With most other fielding metrics, they look at how many plays someone should make as opposed to how many they do, without actually looking at what happens.
With the Fielding Bible, they see everything about the play: where the ball lands, where the fielder was positioned, how hard it was hit, etc. If a player gets to a ball in a certain grid of the map, he gets a point for the particular breakdown.
So, in the end, it tells you that Jeter is bad to his right, horrific to his left, but good on pop flys. So, on the grids to his right, he covers a decent if below average amount, but to the left, he hardly covers any. It’s all from the video, not just numbers.
It’s the best approach I’ve ever seen, and it’s what I trust the most. Bill James was on XM back when the first one came out explaining how shocked he was at Lowell’s numbers, but lo and behold, there they were.
Boo Lowell? What the hell for? The man played well, and just because he re-signed doesn’t mean you should scorn him. Don’t like the move all you want, Lowell hasn’t played those three years yet and there for hasn’t done anything to deserve being booed. It’s not like he was scratching his ass as grounders rolled by third last season, and when Manny was out he stepped in and held the 4th spot down.
I can understand wanting Cabrera over Lowell, but don’t hate the man because the move didn’t get maid.
I’m just a little disappointed that there are 2 people in our starting lineup who I detest being there, and that’s only because I’ve made my bed about being wrong with the Drew signing. Lowell and Lugo shouldn’t be in Boston uniforms next year, and every time I see him, I’ll think of how stupid it is that we re-signed him.
I would like to see virtually anyone else there. So, screw you Mikey, wish you were in Philly.
I really don’t think the SABR community is up in arms about this deal. League average line for a 3rd baseman is .274/.346/.445 with an EqA of .269. Mike Lowell had and EqA of .288 with a line of .324/.378/.501. Mike Lowells career average is .280/.344/.468 with an EqA of .277. For a frame of reference Miggy Tejada has a career line of .287/.344/.442 with and EqA of .274.
Since coming to Boston he has had a WARP of 6.3 and 7.4. If you disregard his injury plagued season in 2005 he has never had a WARP lower than 5.2. He also has had FRAA of +20 and +14 over that time span.
The guy is made to hit here. Is he the best player? No, but we can’t have studs at every position. He should be a 5 win team over the next 3 years and for 12 M per that isn’t as awful as you would think.
How do you figure the Fielding Bible has Lowell as below average? Lowell was a +7, ranking him 11th in baseball.
He had no injury in 2005. He had no injury in 2006., he just collapsed. This is why I hate Mike Lowell, because at any moment he’s done for the year. In 2007, fortunately, that didn’t happen, but he’s prone to it happening.
Apart from the logic of how lucky he was this year, I can’t think of anyone I hate watching in baseball more. I don’t know where people are saying he looks like a good fielder, to me he looks big and slow. He hacks at pitches and can’t take a walk, and when you add the omnipresent fear of collapse, actually watching him makes me ill.
He has no upside, he’s overpaid, and he can’t field run or walk. His contract will make him impossible to move, and he’s going to regress every year even if he doesn’t have the mega collapse. I hate it.
Dave, that actually makes me feel better. I never saw Lowell’s name on the 2007 list for some reason, but I remember the 2005 version was just scathing.
Makes me feel a little better, but I still hate him.
roto:
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the Phillies offered Mike Lowell a four-year, $50 million contract before he agreed to terms with Boston on Monday.
The offer reportedly came Monday and caused the Red Sox to bump their proposal from $36 million to $37.5 million, matching the annual salary the Phillies were willing to pay.
Sorry I can’t agree with you Sean O – I think we should celebrate the deal, and if it goes down as a bad move in 1, 2, or 3 years – so be it. Boston just won the World Series! Let’s be optomistic and enjoy having Lowell around ..
everyone, myself included, was devasted when they broke up the 2004 team, but in the end, it proved to be a great move. let’s wait a year or two before criticizing Theo for deciding to keep the 2007 team together
Evan – wow, Pat Gillick was really trying to pull one over, and basically lying through his teeth
Gillick denies Lowell rumors
Fine, as long as you want every game to be 3-2 or 2-1 with 15 LOB, because that’s next year. Remember June through August? That’s where we’re heading. If you like those games, it’s a great time to be a Sox fan, but we’ve officially given up on hitting.
If Ortiz or Manny slip at all, this team is going to get bowling shoe ugly, quick. We’ll be a team of singles hitters without anything interesting.
Welcome to the National League.
I can’t say yet whether this is the best option or even a good option yet … but what is most disappointing to me is not that we didn’t make some big deal and it’s not that we are “stuck” with an aging 3rd baseman for another 3 years … what is most disappointing is the fact that now whenever I visit this site again all I’m going to be able to read is Sean O bitching and moaning over this
I mean cmon man … is it really that hard to root for the Red Sox? I know it can be frustrating but I try my best to pull for this entire team regardless of who they put on the field … and how can you say RSN doesn’t seem like it cares about winning? gimme a break … how does booing these guys help them win? maybe I’m more sentimental than I should be but they just won the World Series man … excuse me if I like the team … I dunno … I don’t mind debating over the Sox … that is what this site is for but constantly going after certain guys gets really old … stop trying to make it seem like Theo is trying to wreck this team … he is trying his best just like you would … that’s all I’m saying
sorry if I went over board on that … I’m not trying to pile on Sean O he is a consistent commentor and I respect his passion … and I’m definently not trying to defend this move … I can’t until I see it play out … I just get tired of hearing guys like Lowell get run into the ground like that … I for one hope he has a monster year and we repeat as champs … then maybe we won’t have to have this conversation anymore
I keep hearing the Damon comparison, and that is just stupid. Damon clearly looked like he was not going to age well. Also, Damon was always overrated as a player. While in Boston Damon had WARPs of 5.2, 4.2, 6.3, and 6.4. Over the past four years Lowell has WARPs of 8.3, 3.6, 6.3 and 7.4.
Lowell is a good defender and doesn’t rely on speed. The guy consistantly has a 20% LD rate and 40% GB rate. When you combined that with him hitting 20% of his balls to left field, you have a guy that is going to put up good numbers.
If we were fans of the Marlins or the Rays or the Royals, this would be a bad deal. Thankfully, we are fans of the Boston Red Sox. If we can get 2 decent years out of this deal, than it is fine. We can spend money like anyone but the Yankees. One $12 million bench player isn’t going to kill us if its only a season or two.
What is better? Lowell/Buchholz/Ellsbury/whoever Crisp gets us or Miguel Cabrera? At best Miggy is a 10 win guy. Can we get 10 wins out of the bunch i listed? Can we get close enough to 10 wins were the $100M+ we are saving?
Dave B, Sam – you have echoed my sentiments exactly.
Thank you both! Lets enjoy the offseason as World Series Champions!
I’m not saying we shouldn’t be as aggresive as ever to get better … and I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticize and discuss the team … but sometimes it goes a little far … sometimes we need to stop trying to run things and just cheer for the damn team no matter whose playing … I know everyone from the GM to the batboy are trying their best … there is no reason we shouldn’t be able to cheer for em … we don’t have to like all of them … but cheer for every single one of them … they are our team! and theyve won TWO WS in just 4 years!!! … was there ever a better time to be a Sox fan?
Sean O, please go away, you ruin the best site on the ‘net. How a Red Sox fan could say “screw you Mikey” to the reigning World Series MVP is beyond me.
You’re a pathetic human being and everything that people outside New England bitch about when they talk about Red Sox fans.
i dont want to moderate the comments, but lets try to keep it clean .. just because Sean O has a different opinion from the majority doesn’t mean he isn’t welcome .. its fun to have a devil’s advocate around to initiate conversation and express a different point of view
Seriously, because he often has, let’s say, “unique” perspectives, doesn’t mean he’s wrong. Infact, I’ve been impressed with how he’s backed up his ideas. On that note, I disagree Sean with what you were saying about the 15 LOB’s per game. I understand that outside of Ortiz and Manny we have what appears to be a bit of a shortage in terms of power. It will be hard for Lowell to put up the same numbers, but I wouldn’t say it is impossible. We doubted the hot streak he was on for the first half of the year. I believe even seeing in an article here that we can rest assured Lowell won’t be over the .300 mark at the end of the season. We also doubted that he could make contact the year we got him. Also I think we’re bound to see J.D. Drew produce more power. However, this team could beat teams without their power. Ellsbury and Pedoia are going to instill just as much fear in the opposing pitchers as Manny and Papi. With Ellsbury projected to register at .050 points better in average than Coco, I think that alone is reason to believe in a better offense this year. Also, if we start Jed Lowrie over Lugo we surely can count on better production there.
yeah I don’t always agree him but its all good … he’s far better than the fans who come on and use all caps cuz they can’t figure out any other way to get people to read their idiotic statements … at least Sean O is consistent and usually has some pretty strong points behind what he says … in fact thats probably why we all argue with him so much lol
That’s the attitude guys ;) Thanks for all your comments and discussions on this article – I hope you all come back every monday and voice your opinions!
if lowell is overpaid than what is Manny. and he’s older than lowell!
Ron, good point, if your point was maybe we are making too big of a deal about age here …