Johan goes to the National League and we can keep our prospects.
In the end, it
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Dave, because we disagree doesn’t mean you have to become condescending. I think Theo’s moves are stupid, and I provide reasoning for it. You don’t have to act like a jackass towards me, cool?
You don’t minimize risk by spreading it out between mediocrity. if Ortiz goes down, he gets replaced by who, Chris Carter? We become a .500 team at that point. We have no backup when it comes to power, at all. And I am at least realistic in my what-ifs, as opposed to everyone else around here who thinks Lowell is a .900 OPS player instead of the .780 that he is in his career.
And we don’t have the prospects to acquire someone like teixeira, because how often does someone like that become available? Players are open for either trade or FA far less frequently than a half decade ago, and so you need to strike while you can. Add this to the fact that Lester and Ellsbury’s value will never, ever, ever be higher than they are right now, since Ellsbury had something like a .380 BABIP with much more power than he’s ever shown, and Lester is the feel-good story of the decade who won a clinching game 4.
1). players don’t become available very often. 2). impact players don’t become available for the pathetic price the mets accepted. 3). our prospects are highly overvalued because of their past history (ellsbury has no power, for example, but slugged over .500 in MLB this year). 4). the people we are likely to trade (ala Coco) are undervalued. 5). our depth is mediocre (Cora, Moss) or unusable (Lowrie).
All of this, to me, means that we’re not doing what we should. We’re not trading for undervalued assets, we’re holding onto overvalued assets while there are very clear indicators per past history that we could be in trouble.
Ah, whatever. I’m just gonna watch the damn games.
Sean:
If Papi gets hurt, we make a midseason deal for Adam Dunn if the Reds are looking to deal or maybe Juan Rivera if he’s available.
I still think there’s a significant trade coming before Spring Training, something we’re not expecting.
sean o
seriously you must me a smuck who has never played this sport or
any other sport in your life. you are rambling way to much and have too much time on your hands
as for theo, he is a smuck, but wait he brought us 2 rings
as for the crappy players, wait they were the ones that just brought us our 2nd ring.
regardless of what you think is best, its a good situation for the redsox that we dont have santana, if you want to put up an allstar team then go join the yanks, if you want a championship ring than shut up and let theo do what is best for us now and tomorrow. everyone is correct in saying that you never sign a pitcher to that kind of money. so quit your rambling and get a job
//sean o[sic]
seriously you must me [sic] a smuck [sic] who has never played this sport or
any other sport in your life. you are rambling way to [sic] much and have too much time on your hands [sic]
as for theo, he is a smuck, [sic] but wait he brought us 2 rings [sic]
as for the crappy players, wait they were the ones that just brought us our 2nd ring.
regardless of what you think is best, its [sic] a good situation for the redsox [sic] that we dont [sic] have santana, if you want to put up an allstar [sic] team then go join the yanks, if you want a championship ring than shut up and let theo do what is best for us now and tomorrow. everyone is correct in saying that you never sign a pitcher to that kind of money. so quit your rambling and get a job [sic]
//
If anyone who doesn’t have the typing ability of a 3rd grader wants to make a point, I’ll be happy to respond.
DR-
About a potential Dunn trade. First, in the weak NL central, the reds could be right in the thick of things all year. They’re not a good team, but the division is horrible. One of my overarching points is that we cannot just assume that exactly the part we need will become available when we need it. Even if it does, do we honestly believe it will be for the trade price we could have used for Santana?
What are we going to spend the money on instead? CC? Do we really think Teix is hitting free agency, since the Braves gave up their uber-#1 prospect for him? I like Dunn, but he’ll be $16-$18m a year, for one of the worst fielders in baseball with a .248 .381 .519 line in a hitter’s park in the NL Central.
I read this site for intelligent fan analysis and though I often disagree with him, Sean O contributes a hell of a lot more than “I hate him, he sucks.” Reading his contributions has made me a lot more aware of the stats that I used to interpret by watching or listening to every single game.
Personally, I’m glad that we didn’t get Johnan, but three years from now I will likely be kicking myself. If I lived in New England still I couldn’t care less about these Ellsbury and Lester kids. Being in the Northwest, it’s cool to have some “home grown talent” to root for with my buds at the bar.
I’ve taken some of the things SO says personally in the past, but seriously back off the schmuck comments. Dude knows what he’s talking about, even if you disagree.
Thanks MR. Bottom line, I have some serious concerns over the long term direction, and success or not, I have to question their actions. At least somebody has to, right?
Precisely.
Beckett’s blister problem has been linked to a skin problem, ecsema, which is easily treated. I dealt with ecsema as a teenager so I know exactly how easy it is to correct, considering the Red Sox have a staff full of doctors and Beckett’s commitment to pitching I don’t see it as a problem. As for the shoulder issues, could it be that they developed from overcompensating of blisters, I know that when I played sports whether baseball, or swimming, or basketball, if something wasn’t right I’d tend to do things differently to get by even though the technique wasn’t necessarily correct.
I actually think that Cleveland has gotten weaker since last season, of course I actually thought that the Tigers were a better team than them last season, but just didn’t get it done. With the improvements that Detroit has made I think it could be possible that Cleveland doesn’t make the playoffs. As for the Yankees, they had a terrible 1st half, but they also had a beyond unbelievable 2nd half. In the end they finished with a record that I believe was indicative of the type of team they were. They’re the same team next year essentially, except Posada will regress terribly, Mo looks over the hill, and A-rod will not be as good as last year.
For the record I wanted Johan, but the Red Sox have the deepest most-talented pitching staff in the league going in to next year and I still think we’re contenders. The truth is that things will happen over a 162-game season, but it’s unlikely that everything on Sean O’s list will happen. This organization has proven that it is committed to winning, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt, hell they’ve been the most successful franchise of the last decade, think about that, the Boston Red Sox and successful in the same sentence.
I definitely don’t expect everything on my list of bad stuff that could happen to actually happen, but unfortunately, you have to plan that way. 2006 was the perfect example that the worst thing can actually happen, as unlikely as it would seem.
For the near future, we know that we’re facing a pretty imminent lack of power. To remedy this, what are our logical options? it seems like Teixeira is our #1 hope, especially since (theoretically) we will look to spend the $20m a year we would’ve spent on the best pitcher in baseball. If not, we either have to hope that a slugging player becomes available for trade, or we’re going into the next few years without a lot of other options.
I wanted Cabrera, because that would have solved this mess. I don’t see any way that he wouldn’t take care of himself with these teammates and with this media attention. When this fell through with the Lowell signing, Santana would at least provide an unbelievable level of insurance, and one of the best 1/2 combinations for a 5 or 7 game series in baseball history.
I just don’t understand what we’re doing here. Either the front office honestly believes that Ellsbury is a 10 win a year star, Drew and Manny will bounce back, Lugo has something good to offer, and Lester will be a #2, or they’re genuinely not concerned with helping the club. I just don’t see a plan here, one that will benefit the club for years.
According to KNBR, “the Red Sox have recently shown interest in the A’s Dan Johnson, while the A’s have not completely cooled on Coco Crisp, despite having in-house options to play center-field.”
They don’t think anything is currently close, but do think that a deal is definitely still possible.
Dan Johnson for Coco Crisp, I’m gonna assume for my own well being that’s not going to happen, at least not one-for-one. If it is one for one….
I’m not extremely high on Johnson either, especially b/c I think we could accomplish the same thing by just signing Sean Casey (maybe sans some power).
That said, I want us to trade Coco because I think Kielty can be an immensely valuable bench bat against lefties if Drew struggles again.
MR is right on giving props to Sean O … he dominates the boards here consistently and he always backs up what he says pretty well
While I disagree with his lack of optomism (and his at times inexplicable distrust of our GM) I agree with the way Sean O thinks alot of the time … strive for the best but always prepare for the worst is a good philosophy … just as long as you don’t forget that as much as we like to analyze and scream what we think is wrong … we’re still just fans and our job is to cheer … for every single one of the 25 … even “wifebeater” and “your least favorite player”
aight that’s enough of that stuff … I’m getting dangerously close to team chemisty and the love of the game lol … Im gonna be labeled as a sentamentalist who can’t clearly analyze stuff cuz he loves all the players too much … wutever … I’m just trying to keep a balance ya know?
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I know having Santana would help the pitching staff… But he wouldn’t help us if Papi went down. We’d be down $20 mil a year that could be used to find more power.
What really sucks about the offense (I still believe we have a top 5 offense next year and a top 1-3 pitching staff) is imagine if we had come to terms with Pedro Alvarez and Matt Laporta when we drafted them? We would have a 3B and corner outfielder prospect (Laporta should be a DH, he sucks at 1b and of…another words would have been an option against picking up Manny’s option) playing at a high level with outrageous power potential. I’m sure if the Sox upped their offers 300k – 400k we would be sitting pretty right now. Alvarez will go #1 or #2 in this years draft.
Craig-
I agree with what you’re saying, but that, to me, is an idiotic course of action. When you rely on the popular players instead of talent, you go from a WS in 05 like the Astros, to Biggio and Ausmus choking the team to death in ‘06/07.
Shane-
Obviously, the game is about run differential. Ortiz going down would lead to a total loss of power. Since we have no hope of getting any new sources of power, we would need a top-notch pitching staff. That’s where Santana comes in.
Sean O,
I see how Santana would help solidify the pitching staff into a Juggernaut, but I’m more concerned about the following years. If we lost Papi, Santana would only be a band-aid on a very deep cut. Losing 6-2 is the same in the end as losing 2-1.
Absolutely agree Sean.
The FO needs to remain detached and should not allow the fan base to push it into bad personnel moves.