- Check out my trading deadline winners and losers.
- Who will replace Hansen in bullpen? Activate Colon and put Buchholz in pen? Lincoln Holzkom, Eric Hull, David Pauley, Chris Smith, Devern Hansack, Hunter Jones?
- Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss from Sox to Pittsburgh. Andy LaRoche and minor league pitcher Bryan Morris from Dodgers to Pittsburgh
- Gordon Edes’ phone goes off, he is scribbling on paper
- Lou Merloni makes great point: Go to David Ortiz and ask him if he can bat fourth, this would fix the R/L problem and get J.D. Drew into the two slot
- Pirates will receive four prospects
- Three-team deal between Dodgers, Pirates, Red Sox
- Nick Cafardo of Globe says Sox land Jason Bay
- SI.com says to Dodgers
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I love how Faiaz thinks the Red Sox lost this trade big time. Disenchanted, no defense slugger aint a good thing. We were losing BECAUSE of Manny.
Hey Faiaz, dreaming that we can be better with Bay is not as pathetic as watching Girardi crying about losing his apparent life partner “Kyle fucking Farnsworth” to the Tigers.
Hey Faiaz…still managed to surpass the Rays yet? I think once you’ve done that then you can gloat. I wouldn’t be betting on 86 miserable years either, but knowing trolls like you you’re going to tout that 26 ring bullshit even though twenty of them were from before 1963, long before you existed.
Your Yankees still have to deal with the Angels. Have fun with them because I’m sure they’ll be dying to kill you.
Bay’s career BA is more than 30 points lower than Ramirez’s. Bay’s hitting a whopping .190 against lefties this season while Manny’s BA against lefties is .274
Evan, I agree that this was a solid move for the Sox, although I think they got slightly worse this season at the plate. Defensively, Manny was bad but he was great at playing the wall, something that a poor defender like Bay may take some time to learn. However, in the long run, this is a good move, as they get their Manny replacement with a minimal loss of talent compared to a large reduction in cost.
That being said, you have to understand why Yankees fans are giddy at this point. Whatever Bay does, he is unlikely to mash the Yankees as Manny did.
Go Brewers and Phillies.
Whoa you’re cooler than I thought. Fuckazz almost sounds like my name. Real clever. Very impressive.
Is Bay that poor of a fielder? we’ve seen plenty of bad fielders on visiting teams come to fenway and play the wall just as well or better than Ramirez.
But it’s not more pathetic than Youkilis being a baby after every bad at bat.
I don’t know how bad he is in the field but I heard he has a noodle for an arm.
6 after 1963 still beats 2 after 1963. Good analogy.
Here’s hoping that the Angels kick the shit out of the Yankees so we don’t have to hear more from NYers for another day.
See that Faiaz? Moshe Mandel, who I’ve seen on the Bronx Bombers MVN site, can actually say things in a sophisticated manner. He actually writes good articles/posts which I can say is a hell of a lot better than trolls on both sides.
I can understand your giddiness but take some notes from him in class instead of using “Red Cox Cunts.”
That or this whole thread should just ignore you since you seem intent on being an arrogant New Yorker, further perpetuating the stereotype of living in the past and garnering the hatred of not just New England but Baltimore, TB, Toronto, and pretty much a good chunk of the US.
And Paul O’Neill wasn’t?
C’mon Faiaz, are you really doing the 26 rings thing? It is entirely irrelevant. Let’s just talk baseball, like adults.
Dude, just go away, we get it you’re happy that the Red Sox traded Manny, good for you. You can go talk about that on a Yankee blog. I don’t understand how you channel a positive feeling such as happiness into something as negative as hate. If you’re responding to Red Sox trolls take a look in the mirror and realize all you’re doing is contributing to the problem. I know you think you’re smarter than everyone else, but you’re not doing anything to raise the level of discourse that caused you to come here in the first place.
Did you understand that, or did I use too many big words?
What do you guys think about not getting a reliever in the deal? The fact that the Sox left their bullpen as is surprises me about this deadline as much as anything (outside the Manny deal, of course).
I don’t need to share my thoughts in a “sophisticated manner” on a damn blog. Who the hell am I trying to impress? Redcox cunts? Gimme a break, you act as if this is a term paper and I don’t know about you but I’ve already graduated college.
And thanks for being classy as always Moshe, it gets hard sometimes, but some of us actually exist who can dislike another team and be respectful at the same time. Much appreciated.
I’m a little disappointed that we couldn’t get a reliever out of it, but I guess trading Hansen is addition by subtraction. At least now Francona won’t feel obligated to use him.
Moshe…”6 after 1963 still beats 2 after 1963. Good analogy.” was a response to “…even though twenty of them were from before 1963, long before you existed.” I never said anything about 26 rings.
All of the sudden now your are all being victimized right? What you fail to understand is that this is in retaliation to all the Sox fans postings on Yankees sites after something bad happens to us.
Which of the guys Evan listed above is the most likely to replace Hansen? Is Jones a lefty?
Here’s what I said verbatim: “If you
Moshe that’s a good question and quite honestly I’ve never been more apprehensive.
Oki has his game back and Lopez is pretty effective. MDC scares the shit out of me and Timlin is on his way. This bullpen is mediocre at times and we could’ve really used another pitcher. Oh well. We’ve still got Masterson and I know you guys gave up the Farns who surprisingly was doing decently (though Girardi tearing about it was kinda meh).
Granted the Yanks got some sweet deals but then again stranger things have been known to happen.
Moshe and I are here for totally different reasons…he’s here to actually discuss baseball but I’m here for retaliation. Maybe you aren’t one of the trolls that go onto Yankees sites to piss Yankees fans off but you are one of their representatives as a Redcox fan. BTW people always hate people that are better than them that’s why all other states hate New York. I don’t think it’s your city that’s called the capital of the world.
When was the last time trading for relief worked anyways? Even Marte has struggled a little since going to NY (4 hits 2 ER in 2.1 innings)
Funny thing is, you all are replying to my posts just to add fuel to the fire…so just stop replying and I’ll stop from my end.
Bob, that’s a strong point, although I still like the Marte deal a lot. Guys like Ohman and Eyre really dont scare anybody, and I would have been really happy had you guys picked up Rhodes. But it is a weak point for the Sox, and Theo doesn’t seem to be the type to just let the problem sit, so I’m a bit surprised.
OK now I think I’ve vented enough and I feel satisfied that I got it off my chest. With that already said…I must admit, being a Yankees fan won’t be as much fun if it wasn’t for Redsox fans and I’m sure that also goes for most Sox fans…I mean who else would we make fun of when the other is struggling? I also wish that you guys make the playoffs…so we can beat you in the ALCS.
Evan,
I would like to apologize for my sophomoric behavior. Whether or not the Red Sox got bitten in the ass by this trade, I should not have behaved as I did.
The truth is I am really upset about the diminutive nature of my genitalia. As a 24 year old college graduate I have had plenty of time to come to terms with my lack of endowment, but all of that was put into question today when my mom, my own mom, laughed out loud when she burst in on me naked while she delivered my laundry. I’ve asked her to please knock before she comes into the basement in order to avoid precisely this scenario, but she claims her arms were full because I had so much laundry from the Eagle scout convention I just got back from on Tuesday.
Anyway, thanks guys. I’m sorry to have been sort of trollish, it just hasn’t been my day. Good luck Sox, but GOOO! Yanks.
Moshe,
Yes, Jones is a lefty.
Faiaz with a “.”
You don’t have to assume that everyone else has the same experiences you did and still have…Just because you’re a 24 year old guy with a small penis who lives with his mom, doesn’t mean that everyone else is. This further proves my point on Redcox cunts, when they run out of things to say about their team…they start making up little offensive scenarios in hopes that it will be oh sooooo funny.
Oh, come on Faiaz, you admitted you came here to take the piss out of some sox fans, I was just flipping a bit back at you. Good sleuth work on “.” you got me.
Back to trades: I think this just means we’re going to pick someone off the waiver trash heap for relief. If the team was looking for a left fielder off waivers I’d be scared, relief pitcher, meh, might as well.
I was reading about the .190 against lefty pitchers for Bay. Then I thought…don’t the Yankees have a severe depletion of lefty pitchers save for Pettitte, Marte, and Traber (not on active roster)?
I think Theo may have realized the futility of trading for relief after the failures of Sauerbeck, Williamson, and Gagne. I think if a few things go right the ‘pen could go from a weakness to a strength. Okajima has seemed (hopefully) to turn a corner and I’ve like what I’ve seen from Masterson (Yankee outing aside), Delcarmen frustrates me, but as long as he pitches low leverage situations I’m cool. Hansen is gone, which is a plus no matter how you cut it, 10 million dollar arm, 10 cent head. I’d like to keep clay in the Rotation instead of confusing him and destroying what confidence he has left, but given Colon’s injury history, why not make him a reliever? Less innings, he can gun as many fastballs as he wants. Lopez has been solid so has Aardsma. Maybe Timlin still has a bit of magic left.
I think the lefty thing is just a coincidence, he’s a solid Righty bat. I Remember a couple years ago when Manny had terrible numbers against lefties.
LOL OK OK OK so the Sox biggest issue is the pen as of right now? Who are they gonna get off of waivers and is that gonna definitely fix the problem?
Oh I love little yankee goatfuckers.
Jason Bay, yeah, .190 hitter against lefties. So we now have four outfielders who can’t hit lefties, and several that can’t really hit righties that well either. Hilarious.
And guess what his line is in interleague play? .250/.312/.450/.762, or exactly what I said he’d be hitting. So, we just traded Manny Ramirez, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, $7m and 2 type-A draft picks for Kevin Kouzmanoff or A.J. Pierzynski.
“Jason Bay, originally drafted by the Montreal Expos, is an alumnus of the Class A Vermont Expos. The last Vermont Expo to play for the Sox? Orlando Cabrera, and that worked out OK.”
By the by, we have enough pitchers in AAA not to bother trading for people like JOHN GRABOW. Fuentes? OK. Other than that, dip into the minors.
A.J (sometimes) plays a premium position SO, so this has nothing to do with him.
Yeah, but he also has a .762 OPS this season, just like our friend Jason. So we’re left with the following:
Pedroia (good singles hitter)
Youk (falls apart 2nd half)
Ortiz (awesome hitter)
Mike Lowell (falls apart 2nd half)
Jason Bay (Kevin Kouzmanoff)
JD Drew (fallen apart since June)
Jason Varitek (.600 OPS)
Jed Lowrie/Alex Cora (maybe Lowrie can turn into Pedroia-lite)
Jacoby Ellsbury (Juan Pierre)
And Lester, Papelbon, and 9 people who can’t pitch. And no plan for the future, no power, and no hitting prospects.
Sometimes it’s the little things: 6-0 Angels over the Yanks in the top of the 3rd.
The Angels just got six runs off Pettitte in the third, so not only are they the real deal, but we should be free of Yankee trolls in here for a while.
They put that 6 spot up awfully fast, they’re definitely scary good.
Meanwhile,
Bot 3, NYY:
X. Nady grounds out to pitcher
I. Rodriguez strikes out swinging
M. Cabrera reaches on E-1
J. Damon flies out to center
Ahh. And the Angels are up again…
enjoy, trolls.
Yep…it looks as if LA is the real deal and now NY is feeling some of that pain that we felt just yesterday.
Welcome to the party Bronx Bombers.
In 2307 PAs, Bay’s career OPS against RHPs is .886. In 615 PAs against LHPs, his career OPS is .904. I’m alright with that.
He’s a better fielder than Manny and he’s at least as good a hitter as Manny has been (but only because he’s been playing for the Sox – Manny will tear the cover off the ball in LA.) So on a straight player for player basis, I think we gained.
Losing Moss, not a big deal. He was never more than a 4th outfielder here. Hansen – sigh. So much raw potential, but I doubt he’ll ever figure it out. So again, not much lost there.
What this deal boils down to is the value of Bay cost controlled for 2009 vs. the value of a first round draft pick and a sandwich pick. Viewed purely from that perspective, I’d have kept Manny. But that’s not the whole story as there’s an intangible here – the impact Manny’s departure will have on the team. I think we’ll see a happier, more harmonious clubhouse. Whether that translates into wins remains to be seen.
So stay tuned.