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Sox Interested in Braves’ Gonzalez, Soriano? Reviving the Halladay Trade

November 19th, 2009 by Mike Silver
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Sox Interested in Braves’ Gonzalez, Soriano?

According to George King of the New York Post, the Red Sox have expressed preliminary interest in free agent relievers Mike Gonzalez and Rafael Soriano. The team requested medical records for the two, both of whom have had arm injuries in recent seasons.

Last season, Gonzalez and Soriano combined to split the closer role for the Braves. However, the two look to be above the price tag for the Braves. As King notes, “Neither of whom fits into the Braves’ plans because they are too expensive.”

The left-handed Gonzalez, 31, posted a 2.42 ERA and 3.51 FIP, with 90 strikeouts against 74.1 innings pitched. Gonzalez missed significant portions of 2007 and 2008 with elbow and arm injuries. Still, with his 92-93 mph fastball returning to pre-surgery days and a 73.9 percent contact rate in 2009, Gonzalez seems poised to again dominate hitters in 2010.

The right-handed Soriano, 30, has also missed extensive time during his career, including a long stretch between 2004 and 2005 with the Mariners and most of 2008 while with the Braves. Like Gonzalez, however, Soriano makes up for it when he is on the field, posting a 2.97 ERA and 2.54 FIP with 102 strikeouts in 75.2 innings. With a 3.78 K/BB ratio and 71.3 Contact percentage in 2009, Soriano seems poised to continue his stretch of dominance.

No doubt, the acquisition of either Soriano or Gonzalez would greatly strengthen the Boston bullpen, giving them an elite reliever who would likely man the eighth inning.
However, what may be more interesting is the implications a possible move could have on the current state of the Boston bullpen and that of the impending free agency of Billy Wagner.

For months, rumors have been circulating surrounding the possible trade of Jon Papelbon. Though they have been merely conjecture, the signing of a free agent reliever for the price of a Soriano or Gonzalez would add significant likelihood to the trading of Papelbon. Signed to $6.25 million for 2009, Papelbon will likely garner a raise whether it be through arbitration or a one-year deal. Therefore, it would certainly be a perplexing move if the Red Sox sought to add a reliever of Soriano’s or Gonzalez’s price tag if they did not plan to trade Papelbon – given they have their 7th, 8th, and 9th inning options locked up by Daniel Bard, Hideki Okajima, and Pap.

Further, the signing of either one would be contingent on the team’s plans of tendering Billy Wagner a contract in arbitration. Given the chances of Wagner accepting a deal via arbitration, the team would have undoubtedly the most talented – and most expensive – bullpen in the league.

Though the acquisition of either Gonzalez or Soriano are still in its very early stages, it remains a situation that bears watching – one that could have a lot to say about the shape of the Red Sox roster next season.

With that said, it is difficult to root for the acquisition of either player, especially Soriano. Both are Type-A free agents with a long list of past injuries. Soriano, in particular, has had much difficulty staying out of the trainer’s room. With the relief options already contracted for next season, acquiring either Braves’ reliever could be a step back for the team.

Reviving the Roy Halladay Trade

According to Jon Heyman of SportsIllsutrated.com, the Blue Jays’ new general manager, Alex Anthopoulos is “serious” about trading his ace, Roy Halladay.

After Halladay trade discussions collapse between the Sox and Blue Jays over the summer, most in the baseball community felt that a deal within the division would not be struck while ex-GM J.P. Ricciardi held office. However, with Anthopolous now at the helm, the deal has new life.

Now, the question has shifted to what the Red Sox – or Yankees – would have to give up to acquire the ace’s services. Will the team have to match their previous 6 for 1 offer, one that included all of Daniel Bard, Michael Bowden, Clay Buchholz, Felix Doubront, Nick Hagadone, and Justin Masterson? Unlikely, especially since Halladay can only contribute to one playoff run, now that the ’09 pennant pursuit is over, one that the Doc would have been a part of.

Of just as much concern is whether it makes sense for either team to trade within the division. While many chose not make intra-division deals because of the fear that the other side could receive the better end on the deal, they are in fact less valuable due to the zero-sum game of the divisional structure in the MLB.

For instance, consider a simpler scenario, where the Sox trade an All-Star outfielder to the Yankees for an all-star catcher (the positions don’t really matter; they’re just here for context.) Though the Red Sox may improve their team by, say, 3 wins, the Yankees will improve by 3 wins as well. Therefore, neither team is any closer to the division title because they have improved their greatest competition as well. In essence, the trade didn’t get either team anywhere as each team netted zero wins.

On the other hand, if the Red Sox traded their outfielder to the Phillies for a catcher, the Red Sox net three wins because they are not simultaneously improving a competitor.

Getting back to the Halladay trade – it is a bit ambiguous as to whether this would be a good one for the Red Sox. Sure, they receive one of the league’s best pitchers for at least 2010 – and possibly beyond if he signs an extension. But, they will significantly improve the Blue Jays for years to come, especially if they give up major league ready arms like Buchholz, Bowden, and Bard. This will significantly increase the competitiveness for the AL East title and Wild Card.

The threat of the Yankees acquiring Halladay further complicates the situation, as they would be head-over-heals the frontrunner for first in the AL East over the next few years, while the Jays would improve for the future. Assuming the Yankees can, as they say, “hold any position”, the depletion of talent in their farm system is not as damaging as it would be for the Red Sox. Further, the Blue Jays would, again, become a significantly improved competitor in future seasons. This would have to be the worst case scenario for the Sox, as the Blue Jays and Yankees would both improve, with the Yankees minimizing any future damage with their vast financial resources. At least the Sox wouldn’t give up three or more plus-prospects.

It’s difficult to say whether the Sox would benefit most from dealing for Halladay or seeing him traded out of the division. In the end, it comes down to whether the team wants to win now, or later. With the current state of the team, it may be best not to trade for Halladay and be content with a 2010 team that will again contend for a playoff spot – instead of mortgaging the future to keep up with New York.

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  • ericinboston says:
    November 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    i'm a fan of both gonzalez and soriano. it's too bad the injuries have slowed them down but i'm always a fan of taking a guy who is a 'closer' and drop him in a middle inning. i think it provides a significant advantage for the good guys.

    question, mike: why would either of these guys supplant bard in the 8th?

    Reply
    • Shane says:
      November 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM

      Either they're a replacement option if Bard gets shipped off, or it gives Bard a little more time to develop and not worry about a sophomore slump. I guess.

      Reply
    • Mike_Silver says:
      November 19, 2009 at 6:22 PM

      I think that the team would move either gonzalez or soriano to the 8th inning role because, one, they would have invested the money in an elite free agent reliever – and teams always feel the need to justify that investment, whether or not it's the right decision. And, two, I think the team would start Gonzalez/Soriano there because of Bard's shaky August and September (though, the struggles were somewhat the product of poor luck). It would give the team a more proven option in the 8th and they may view it as helping Bard's psychological development as a late inning reliever.

      In my opinion, it would have more to do with the financial investment, but the other reasons make the decision more likely.

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      • ericinboston says:
        November 19, 2009 at 6:44 PM

        agree entirely. great point.

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  • Bottom Line Rob says:
    November 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM

    Bottom Line: We need to replace Wagner in the bullpen and both of these guys could do the job… Soriano made $6M in '09 so he's not much cheaper, but Gonzalez made $3.5M. Okie's numbers have slowly gotten worse each year and MDC continues to disappoint…

    Wouldn't it be fun to three "Gonzo's" on the Sox – Adrian, Alex and Mike ???

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  • M.A.G. says:
    November 19, 2009 at 12:23 PM

    Is this the prelude to a Papelbon trade?

    Reply
  • Sean O says:
    November 19, 2009 at 6:11 PM

    Bay rejects our offer. I know it's not the end end by any means, but hopefully Bay will be happy in the NL somewhere. Reddick FTW.

    Reply
    • Gerry says:
      November 19, 2009 at 7:09 PM

      Sean. FTW? is this a dislexic WTF? Do you think Reddick will be ready in April? He sure has all the tools to "be a force", but is he ready?

      I can't see any scenario where they trade Pap and substitute Wagner and certainly not Bard, but I can see Gonzalez replacing Wagner, and soriano replacing.Bard if Theo is foolish enough to give him up. Both would probably get the traditonal incentivized deal, making them affordable if they fail and worth it if the team succeeds.

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      • Shane says:
        November 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM

        "FTW? is this a dislexic WTF?"

        FTW is "For the Win". Though thinking of it as a dyslexic WTF has for some reason immediately brightened my day.

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    • M.A.G. says:
      November 19, 2009 at 10:11 PM

      Reddick has not even played in AAA yet. He is not ready.

      Reply
  • Shane says:
    November 19, 2009 at 6:57 PM

    Bay rejected the first offer. Right now he's only been able to see what the Sox would give. If I was him there is no way I'd sign before the exclusive window was up.

    Reply
  • donna says:
    November 20, 2009 at 2:26 AM

    i would rather the Sox overpay for Lackey than give up, say, Bard +others for Roy H. Mike, you make excellent points about competition within the division and i know that is a concern but i sure would love the day when RS just start opening up the pursestrings a bit more. Ticket prices and Ace being what they are i sure am glad i do NOT live in Boston anymore as i do think it an outright shame that tix are seemingly so overpriced and obviously scalped (legally). Nice to see a sellout record in the midst but i have to say i sure enjoy getting the occasional ticket to see the team somewhere else, where tix are much more easy to come by, and did i say, cheaper?
    Yanks do have the upper hand and seems they will for some time. RS just have to do better than them, which is still possible.

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    • ericinboston says:
      November 20, 2009 at 5:03 AM

      2 points…

      1) the red sox are not afraid to 'open up the purse strings.' they had them wide open for teixeira. unfortunately he had already decided he wanted to be a yankee so everyone got to do the dance with boras to decide what new york would pay him. when there is a FA on the market worth investing the $$ in long-term with red sox will do so.

      2) the ticket prices are controlled by us, the consumer. it's a basic economic function called supply & demand and until 35,000 people a night decide the ticket prices are too high they aren't going to come down. it's not a shame the tickets are expensive, it's a reality. what would be a shame is if the red sox ownership ran a garbage team out on the field and they were playing for 15,000 a night.

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      • donna says:
        November 20, 2009 at 2:30 PM

        eric i agree with you… 1). i do not blame individual players for seeking the best package they can when they are looking for a team to play for. 2). i do not blame people like Boras for being how he is and how he plays it out – he is doing his job. 3). the economics of baseball are hard for most working class folk to comprehend and you are right = if people buy the tix then the price is right.
        i guess i am still yearning for a more even playing field… both for all teams i.e. salary cap of some sort as well as a way for any team to prevent scalping.

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        • Gerry says:
          November 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM

          good points all. Legal Scalping may be the central issue here. Scalping is itself illegal, so legal scalping is an oxymoron. But there it is. If this aspect could be controlled, access to seats at Fenway at more reasonable prices would be assured, which makes the game more available to all. Legal Scalping is akin to the Boras approach to representing. What they both do is marginally ethical, though it is legal, much like a mob lawyer who tweaks the rules to benefit perps over the well being of the community as a whole. It rankles, but the system seemingly can't stop it.

          Reply

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