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Arbitration and it’s impact on the Red Sox

December 2nd, 2009 by Evan Brunell
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The arbitration tender deadline has come and gone, and unsurprisingly, many players were not tendered arbitration contracts they had the right to accept or reject.

Also unsurprisingly, Boston offered arbitration to its two eligible players: Jason Bay and Billy Wagner. Let’s run through the implications for offering arbitration to the two, and then take a look at players who’s possible Boston future was impacted by their club’s decision.

Boston Red Sox at Detroit Tigers.

JASON BAY: Depending on who you talk to, Bay is either the top, or second-top, bat on the market. His free agent value is not compromised by this decision. If Boston brings him back, obviously they don’t get additional draft picks. If they lose him, the odds are they lose him to a team whose first-round pick is not protected. (The bottom 15.) This will give them an extra first-round pick as well as a compensatory pick (the round in between the first and second). Assuming that a team in the bottom 15 does sign him, however (like the Mets), the Sox will get the compensatory pick and the Mets’ second round pick. There’s been conflicting reports on if the Sox like Bay or Holliday better, but can you believe that Boston may actually be better off signing Holliday from a drafting perspective? I bring this up in the Matt Holiday section.

BILLY WAGNER: By offering arbitration to Wagner, Boston depresses Wagner’s asking price, which puts Boston in a great position. Those who might be willing to give up their first round pick for Wagner only if Wagner would at an affordable deal are now in play… as Wagner is going to be forced to ask for less. And heck, those that have money to burn might bring in more than one Type-A, which would benefit Boston in giving them a compensatory round pick and their second/third rounder.

Those teams in the bottom 15 know that Wagner is now more affordable to them given the price and their ability in not losing the first-round pick. There are many moving parts that end up with Boston grabbing two draft picks. That’s not shabby for a player they acquired for Chris Carter, a 4A player in Boston.

If Wagner accepts arbitration with the team, you have to love his arm setting up Jonathan Papelbon this coming year. He’s certain, even in arbitration, to accept a greatly reduced salary. Even if it’s something like $5 million, Wagner could be worth every penny.

Okay, other players that may be in play with Boston…

ADRIAN BELTRE/NICK JOHNSON: If you think that Boston needs to sign a third-baseman or a first-baseman, there won’t be any problems here. Beltre was offered arbitration, while Nick Johnson wasn’t. Both are Type-B free agents, so there’s no bearing on their free agent value here.

JERMAINE DYE: As a Type-A, it was a no-brainer for Chicago to decline. They’re not interested in bringing Dye back and by depressing Dye’s value significantly with the arbitration offer, he would have been likely to return. I promoted Dye as a possible Red Sox back when evaluating left-field candidates not named Bay or Holliday.

MIKE GONZALEZ/RAFAEL SORIANO: Gonzalez and Soriano are paired here because they both are coming from Atlanta, both are seeking multi-year deals and both hope to market themselves as closers… as well as both being Type-A players. Boston’s expressed interest in Soriano and I would hope have discussed Gonzalez. If the team is going to sign Matt Holliday, then chasing Gonzalez or Soriano to bolster the bullpen makes sense. Is a setup man worth a first-round pick? Doubtful. Worth a second? At that point, it may behoove Boston to enter the sweepstakes.

RICH HARDEN: Harden was not offered arbitration. As a Type-B (meaning no team would have lost a pick and Chicago would have grabbed a compensation pick) player, this is rather surprising. His free agent value remains unchanged. We learned last night that Boston is serious about signing Harden.

Washington Nationals vs St. Louis Cardinals

MATT HOLLIDAY: Holliday was offered arbitration by the Cardinals. As a Type-A free agent, Boston might stand to benefit more by signing Matt Holliday over Bay — assuming the team prefers Holliday’s age, defense and offense, of course. How? Well, Boston would lose its first round pick to the Cardinals. But if the team that signs Bay has it’s first round pick available, Boston would actually move up in the draft. To argue, then, that signing Holliday would cause Boston to lose it’s first round pick is not exactly true. It may even strengthen Boston’s drafting position. Of course, it could all be for naught and a bottom 15 team could sign Bay. If so, it’s not exactly the end of the world to go from an end of the first round pick to an early second round pick.

MIGUEL TEJADA: Tejada was a Type A free agent whose value on the market just soared thanks to the Astros declining arbitration on the shortstop. Tejada’s value, as covered in a shortstop roundup here, is a bit sketchy. His defense is either good, average or bad, depending who you talk to or what numbers you look at. His home/road splits show that he really, really liked Minute Maid Park. And as for his overall offensive resurgence, there’s nothing in the data that suggests it’s repeatable. That said, he’s one of the best bats on the market.

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  • The Bottom Line says:
    December 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM

    Good stuff Evan. I like that the Sox are pushing for Haren and I hope they make a move for Soriano or Gonzalez. I'm not either of them can succeed in the AL East pressure cooker, but we need some depth in the bullpen. Bard is still growing, Okie has been slowly declining and MDC is simply a disappointment at this point.

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  • Brandon Stewart says:
    December 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM

    The Sox pick up Atlanta's first rounder as Wagner signs with the Braves 1 year $7 mill, with a 2011 option.

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  • M.A.G. says:
    December 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM

    Matt Holliday at all costs!

    The fact we can actually improve our draft by signing him is just the cherry on the pie. And it’s very unlikely a bottom 15 team would sign Bay.

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    • JoeSox says:
      December 2, 2009 at 9:18 PM

      Mets are about the only possibility I see of someone with a protected pick signing Bay

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    • M.A.G. says:
      December 3, 2009 at 4:43 PM

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but for what I have read lately, not only we can move up the draft, but we can actually win a pick if we sign Holliday instead of Bay.

      The reason: If we sign Holliday, we lose our first round pick, but if Bay signs elsewhere, the we get a first round pick AND a complementary pick too.

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  • TroyPatterson says:
    December 2, 2009 at 5:12 PM

    Good stuff here. I would also guess that as a Boras client Holliday stays on the market till after Bay signs. This will let us know if we have already "moved up in the draft" before adding Holliday.

    I'm really concerned that something is wrong with harden based on Chicago not offering arbitration to him.

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  • Sean O says:
    December 2, 2009 at 7:07 PM

    Theo made a good move with the Wagner signing. And that's the only time this season I'll mutter those words.

    Flipping Chris Carter for a 1st rounder and a supplemental pick? Insane.

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  • Shane says:
    December 2, 2009 at 6:26 PM

    I think it's more that the Cubs need to shed payroll and Harden's highest paid one-year shot would be through arbitration.

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  • Hoffman says:
    December 3, 2009 at 2:47 AM

    Here's what Theo and the Sox should do, IMO
    Sign Chone Figgins and put him at either short or second, both of which he can play… if you put him at second move Pedey to short.

    Make a big push for both bay and holliday, and sign at least one, POSSIBLY both
    Preferably put holliday in LF and Bay at DH, BUT probably both wont be signed, so put whichever one in LF

    Make a push for Lackey set him up in the rotation

    Look for a power hitter… somewhere Maybe AGon?

    So this is what it would look like

    C VMart
    1B Youk
    2B Figgins/Pedey
    SS Figgins/Pedey
    3B Lowell
    LF Bay/Holliday
    CF Ellsbury
    RF Drew
    DH Papi/Bay

    1 Beckett
    2 Lester
    3 Lackey
    4 Buchholz
    5 Dice-K
    Wake to the pen… start him for injuries..

    We need to address short stop, and add pop to the lineup. We could use a starter…we could probably sign bay figgins and lackey for a total of 40 mil per year, well worth the cost, and our payroll would still be just 160 mil, compared to the 208 mil of the yankees.

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    • bob says:
      December 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

      I would love to live in the fantasy world where doing all of those things was possible

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    • Shane says:
      December 3, 2009 at 2:08 PM

      40 mill a year for both Bay and Lackey? I'd say there is an excellent chance you could get both of them if you paid out 20 mill a season.

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    • C'MonMan says:
      December 4, 2009 at 2:18 AM

      are you serious? on this site we deal in reality, this isn't MLBTR (not that i don't read it, i just wouldn't be caught dead amongst those retards posting). Furthermore, this isn't MLB 2009 on your PS3. Figgins is not happening. PERIOD, THE END. Lackey too is a pipe dream. Theo and the FO will kick the tires on EVERY option in existence for sake of doing so. This by no means they are going to pursue anything. Watch them add a couple bullpen pieces.

      For shits and giggles, here are some players who were not offered arbitration that could help the situation up the middle: DeRosa (35!), Orlando Hudson (32), Felipe Lopez (30), and Miguel Tejada (?). All those guys would fill the void without costing 1 first rounder (not 2!). At this point, I like the O-Dog.

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  • jim says:
    December 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM

    a team would lose "its" first-round pick, not "it's" with an apostrophe. it's a dumb system that English has, but those are its rules.

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    • M.A.G. says:
      December 3, 2009 at 8:04 PM

      Not my language. Do you speak baseball?

      Reply
    • C'MonMan says:
      December 4, 2009 at 2:21 AM

      seriously, let's drop the english teacher crap

      Reply
  • Gerry says:
    December 4, 2009 at 2:42 AM

    I'm guessing, after letting Gonzo, Wagner, Saito, Polanco, JJ walk while so much seems still up in the air, that we can think big over the next week or so. Surely there are several alternative plans in place with inter-dependent parts that will come together like a well built boat to improve SS, improve the Pen, improve the rotation, improve LF, improve the bench. This is not like buying a lottery ticket where you know it's not the winner, but it is fun hoping. We know something will happen, so we have legitimate reason to hope. I hope.

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    • C'MonMan says:
      December 4, 2009 at 3:20 AM

      gimme the O-Dog!

      Reply

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